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Comment from royowen
I don't envy you're very unsteady future, one thing about a poem, if it's badly written, one can gather their sticks and move to the next, or even a 1,000 word essay. But not so with a trilogy, the reader can forget bits, and it doesn't matter, not so the author, and as for the finish...well. Having captured the eye of the reader, in the opening gambit, and then negotiated the middle game successfully, then comes the sudden "death", were the end is in sight,, and then...it's a draw, or, worse still, checkmate! Well done, couldn't resist the chess game analogy, but you'll make it, I have confidence in you! Well done, blessings, Roy
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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I don't envy you're very unsteady future, one thing about a poem, if it's badly written, one can gather their sticks and move to the next, or even a 1,000 word essay. But not so with a trilogy, the reader can forget bits, and it doesn't matter, not so the author, and as for the finish...well. Having captured the eye of the reader, in the opening gambit, and then negotiated the middle game successfully, then comes the sudden "death", were the end is in sight,, and then...it's a draw, or, worse still, checkmate! Well done, couldn't resist the chess game analogy, but you'll make it, I have confidence in you! Well done, blessings, Roy
Comment Written 16-Aug-2016
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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Thank you, Roy. It WILL get done. It's just that I would be letting down too many readers if I let the plot play out the way it was headed. I'm glad you understand. Blessings, Roy.
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Well done Jay
Comment from --Turtle.
I thought you did a great job with this blog-type letter to your readers, and perhaps to a part of yourself, announcing and explaining a decision that did not seem to come easy. Oh! the eager drive to want to get to the end amidst all sorts of waiting eyes. Oh! the voice of 'go back' saying this is what must be done. The first step of doing something is a thought... then perhaps a speaking... and then writing it down.
As I mentioned, I offer my eyes to you, Jay. I am rooting for you in this trilogy, and many of your writings rattle on in my brain because of the way you stack details to conclusion with a just-under-the-skin/-logic-makes-me-itch style of your own.
This option seems to be something you have taken the time to determine for yourself. In the same breath... there is a pit of never-satisfied that can gobble an artist up too.
Yet if the pages of your book are like dominoes stacked, and you know that the falling dominoes aren't allowing you to get where you might want to go, then you fix the dominoes and get it to where you want to go.
I liked the surfboard analogy, but I'm a sucker for analogies. (I also like the colorful start into this post, as it sets the tone and frame of mind.)
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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I thought you did a great job with this blog-type letter to your readers, and perhaps to a part of yourself, announcing and explaining a decision that did not seem to come easy. Oh! the eager drive to want to get to the end amidst all sorts of waiting eyes. Oh! the voice of 'go back' saying this is what must be done. The first step of doing something is a thought... then perhaps a speaking... and then writing it down.
As I mentioned, I offer my eyes to you, Jay. I am rooting for you in this trilogy, and many of your writings rattle on in my brain because of the way you stack details to conclusion with a just-under-the-skin/-logic-makes-me-itch style of your own.
This option seems to be something you have taken the time to determine for yourself. In the same breath... there is a pit of never-satisfied that can gobble an artist up too.
Yet if the pages of your book are like dominoes stacked, and you know that the falling dominoes aren't allowing you to get where you might want to go, then you fix the dominoes and get it to where you want to go.
I liked the surfboard analogy, but I'm a sucker for analogies. (I also like the colorful start into this post, as it sets the tone and frame of mind.)
Comment Written 16-Aug-2016
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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Thanks, Turtle. I appreciate your offer and may well take advantage of it, but I have a lot of editing work before I can even see the end. I knew you'd be here for me.
Comment from GWHARGIS
First off. I do not see Kyrie as chummy with Pondria. I see the god as manipulative. I saw it as surface friendly because he knows Doctrex or Pondria thinks with his heart. Even when Pondria was setting up those two guards, he felt bad. Rheuthers doesn't care about anyone. I even doubted his feelings for Axtilla. I think Kyrie is a lot like the mythical Lokie. People are pawns. Well, best of luck. I just wanted you to know how I saw the book. Let me know when you post again. I've come this far and I ain't quitting now. Gretchen
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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First off. I do not see Kyrie as chummy with Pondria. I see the god as manipulative. I saw it as surface friendly because he knows Doctrex or Pondria thinks with his heart. Even when Pondria was setting up those two guards, he felt bad. Rheuthers doesn't care about anyone. I even doubted his feelings for Axtilla. I think Kyrie is a lot like the mythical Lokie. People are pawns. Well, best of luck. I just wanted you to know how I saw the book. Let me know when you post again. I've come this far and I ain't quitting now. Gretchen
Comment Written 16-Aug-2016
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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Thanks, Gretchen. I appreciate your honest take on the situation. I'm glad you're not giving up on me or the story.
Comment from Annette Gulliver
Hi Jay. There seems to be a lot going on in your head as you struggle to find a satisfying way to bring your story to a climax. I am sure, as a writer of your stature, you will come up with something good to keep your readers happy. Sometimes when we go back to the beginning of a story, we see it in a whole different light, and cringe, then start madly re writing. Hope you solve your problem soon.
:) Annette
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Hi Jay. There seems to be a lot going on in your head as you struggle to find a satisfying way to bring your story to a climax. I am sure, as a writer of your stature, you will come up with something good to keep your readers happy. Sometimes when we go back to the beginning of a story, we see it in a whole different light, and cringe, then start madly re writing. Hope you solve your problem soon.
:) Annette
Comment Written 16-Aug-2016
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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I hope I solve my problems soon as well, Annette. I've a lot of work to do before things start falling together.
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Good luck with that!
Comment from Ulla
Hi jay. I hope you come up with a solution, take your time, edit, and yet again go back to it, but there comes a time you'll have to let go. Let the story live its own life if you wish. It deserves to be published. Best of luck. All the best. Ulla:))
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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Hi jay. I hope you come up with a solution, take your time, edit, and yet again go back to it, but there comes a time you'll have to let go. Let the story live its own life if you wish. It deserves to be published. Best of luck. All the best. Ulla:))
Comment Written 16-Aug-2016
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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Thank you so much, Ulla for your confidence in me and for your encouragement.
Comment from Sis Cat
Jay, it is a good move to go back to the beginning "to make some necessary changes" that will lead to a satisfying ending for the reader. The problem with deus ex machina is that it removes the agency or will of the protagonist from the story. As you stated, "Pondria would not have been needed at all for Rhuether's final demise."
Take your time. We work it, and I am sure you will return with "a leaner, stronger adversary for Rhuether in the climax." Thanks for the update and a lesson on the need to read an entire novel in progress to see if it works.
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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Jay, it is a good move to go back to the beginning "to make some necessary changes" that will lead to a satisfying ending for the reader. The problem with deus ex machina is that it removes the agency or will of the protagonist from the story. As you stated, "Pondria would not have been needed at all for Rhuether's final demise."
Take your time. We work it, and I am sure you will return with "a leaner, stronger adversary for Rhuether in the climax." Thanks for the update and a lesson on the need to read an entire novel in progress to see if it works.
Comment Written 16-Aug-2016
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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Thanks Andre. Your added inducement for my decision makes me even more determined to make it work the way Doctrex/Pondria would insist it work.
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Jay, I just finished reading Viet Thang Nguyen's Pulitzer Prize-winning "The Sympathizer." One thing that impressed me was its well-plotted structure. Using an audiobook, I listened to the last three chapters and the first three chapters a second time. Characters, plot lines, and details introduced in the first chapters are resolved and used in the last. This was only achievable from having a well-plotted novel. I am not surprised that Dickens' "The Tale of Two Cities" inspired Nguyen, because Dickens was a master at outlining and plotting his entire novels before he wrote them. The meander approach to writing novels chapter-by-chapter without knowing what may happen next may not always work, because you can lose or fail to develop consistent plot and characters. Things can go off course. Take your time and reboot.
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Hey, Brother, thanks for taking the time to support me as you have. You don't know how I appreciate it. By the way, you and I both seem to enjoy audiobooks. I didn't buy the Amazon audiobook program, but I find most books I buy for my Kindle has, for a couple of bucks more, the audio version. And the speakers are thoroughly professional. I listen during the hour + that I exercise daily. Amazing how much gets "read" that wouldn't otherwise.
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Yes, Jay, I am plowing through the classics and the current bestsellers because of Audible.
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Isn't Audible great? I could never get into "Heart of Darkness,"in the printed version, though I started it many times, but I'm really enjoying the audible.
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Yes, Jay, I did the Heart of Darkness in Audible. It is great.
Comment from Thomas Bowling
Great writing. What travails we go through to hone our craft. Jack London wore work boots while he wrote to remind him that writing is hard work.
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Great writing. What travails we go through to hone our craft. Jack London wore work boots while he wrote to remind him that writing is hard work.
Comment Written 16-Aug-2016
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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Thanks, Thomas. I love the story about London. I wasn't aware of that, but how right he was.
Comment from Fridayauthor
Jay, this is why I hate to start any piece, of any length, without a clear beginning and a clear end. No, this doesn't mean I haven't done it; it just means I hate it when I do.
Somehow, this becomes a more acute problem the older I get. I have far less time to figure it out.
There is a light at the end of the tunnel, the switch just hasn't been flicked perhaps.
Fun to read too!
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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Jay, this is why I hate to start any piece, of any length, without a clear beginning and a clear end. No, this doesn't mean I haven't done it; it just means I hate it when I do.
Somehow, this becomes a more acute problem the older I get. I have far less time to figure it out.
There is a light at the end of the tunnel, the switch just hasn't been flicked perhaps.
Fun to read too!
Comment Written 16-Aug-2016
reply by the author on 16-Aug-2016
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I had a clear ending in sight, Ray. Somewhere along the way the gods got mixed up in the middle of it and then Kyre wanted top billing. Thanks for your input, though. Hope we can get together in September.
Comment from Reedblitzerman
Jay it's all good. At least you're writing all three books more or less at the same time! This could work out really well though editing three books sounds like agony. But the flow from one to the next could be seamless. Good luck!
reply by the author on 20-Aug-2016
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Jay it's all good. At least you're writing all three books more or less at the same time! This could work out really well though editing three books sounds like agony. But the flow from one to the next could be seamless. Good luck!
Comment Written 16-Aug-2016
reply by the author on 20-Aug-2016
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Thank you, Reed, for your understanding. You have a good grasp of what I'm trying to do.
Comment from Cumbrianlass
Good for you. And by that, I mean you're writing for YOURSELF - not the readers. If it doesn't feel right, re-write. I've done it three times (not in entirety, but all my published books have undergone massive tweaks).
You'll be happier in the end.
I have to say, though, just be sure you're doing it BECAUSE it doesn't 'feel' right, and not because you don't want to let go of the story. That happens too. I know of one writer (no longer on here) who is sitting on an amazing book (another trilogy). It's been written and rewritten several times, but she cannot let it go. I doubt she ever will, frankly. And that would be a shame!
Whatever, Jay, I wish you well and look forward to eventually seeing these books of yours published.
Av
reply by the author on 20-Aug-2016
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Good for you. And by that, I mean you're writing for YOURSELF - not the readers. If it doesn't feel right, re-write. I've done it three times (not in entirety, but all my published books have undergone massive tweaks).
You'll be happier in the end.
I have to say, though, just be sure you're doing it BECAUSE it doesn't 'feel' right, and not because you don't want to let go of the story. That happens too. I know of one writer (no longer on here) who is sitting on an amazing book (another trilogy). It's been written and rewritten several times, but she cannot let it go. I doubt she ever will, frankly. And that would be a shame!
Whatever, Jay, I wish you well and look forward to eventually seeing these books of yours published.
Av
Comment Written 16-Aug-2016
reply by the author on 20-Aug-2016
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Thank you, Av. Your encouragement is appreciated. I've started back on Book 1, specifically looking for changes in the protagonist. somewhere he lost his roots.
