Yes,Virginia,There was a Shakespeare
the man was the writer26 total reviews
Comment from Mabaker
Hi Stacey Ann, I've not read you before, pleased to meet you. You had a good working over Shakespeare! Must have really got up your nose. I'm Australian so I talk funny, no reflection on all the other Aussies out FanStory land and I have read the Great Bard, and I like your argument, you can dish the dirt with the best that's obvious, stick to your guns. Regards Mabaker.
reply by the author on 05-Nov-2016
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Hi Stacey Ann, I've not read you before, pleased to meet you. You had a good working over Shakespeare! Must have really got up your nose. I'm Australian so I talk funny, no reflection on all the other Aussies out FanStory land and I have read the Great Bard, and I like your argument, you can dish the dirt with the best that's obvious, stick to your guns. Regards Mabaker.
Comment Written 05-Nov-2016
reply by the author on 05-Nov-2016
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I'm from California, so I talk totally funny, too:)
Thanks for the reading and review, Mabaker! Much appreciated. Your raise a good point--it should be obvious that Shakespeare was Shakespeare, but apparently not enough for some people:(
Thanks again for stopping by; I'll have a look at your work as soon as possible.
Stacia
Comment from janalma
This was most interesting to me. I have heard before that Shakespeare didn't write his plays. Tho, it wasn't De Vere that I had heard did. I can't remember who, now. Anyway, I think your argument is most convincing. And, personally, I'm happy to think Shakespeare did.
Couple nits...
I'll make a variation{s} of the argument above--you do not have to experience something directly to write about it. Even wealthy, well-travelled Elizabethans
Oxfordians do have an explanation for many of the reasons that make Oxford an unlikely or impossible candidate to {write} have written Shakespeare's plays.
Shakespeare's plays are unreliable, this new revised timeline even more so and actually completely unsubstantiated. And many writers and artists complete fine work in their twenties and thirties. As an example, F. Scott Fitzgerald, the author of The Great Gatsby, widely regarded as the best American novel of the twentieth century, completed this work before he was thirty. (And incidentally, the author was of middle-class Irish-Catholic origins, dropped (out) of college, had issues with alcohol, but wrote convincingly about the American elite!)
De Vere's name is nowhere mentioned in connection with (them) {the plays}.
I think your article is well said and holds up. If the Oxfordians claims are as you say, I think their argument is weak. Good essay. Could see it in a literary mag.
reply by the author on 05-Nov-2016
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This was most interesting to me. I have heard before that Shakespeare didn't write his plays. Tho, it wasn't De Vere that I had heard did. I can't remember who, now. Anyway, I think your argument is most convincing. And, personally, I'm happy to think Shakespeare did.
Couple nits...
I'll make a variation{s} of the argument above--you do not have to experience something directly to write about it. Even wealthy, well-travelled Elizabethans
Oxfordians do have an explanation for many of the reasons that make Oxford an unlikely or impossible candidate to {write} have written Shakespeare's plays.
Shakespeare's plays are unreliable, this new revised timeline even more so and actually completely unsubstantiated. And many writers and artists complete fine work in their twenties and thirties. As an example, F. Scott Fitzgerald, the author of The Great Gatsby, widely regarded as the best American novel of the twentieth century, completed this work before he was thirty. (And incidentally, the author was of middle-class Irish-Catholic origins, dropped (out) of college, had issues with alcohol, but wrote convincingly about the American elite!)
De Vere's name is nowhere mentioned in connection with (them) {the plays}.
I think your article is well said and holds up. If the Oxfordians claims are as you say, I think their argument is weak. Good essay. Could see it in a literary mag.
Comment Written 05-Nov-2016
reply by the author on 05-Nov-2016
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Thanks so much for the reading and review, Jan! It's much appreciated.
Several people over the years have been suggested as Shakespeare doubles--Christopher Marlowe is another who has gotten much support.
Thank you so much for the trouble you have taken with the suggested edits! Much appreciated, again. I do plan to submit this for publication some day.
Thanks again! Hope you stop by again, soon. I'll get over and have a look at your work as soon as possible:)
Stacia
Comment from royowen
I think you've sown an excellent case in proving that William Shakespeare indeed wrote all the works that are given to his name, not that it matters, the fact the works exist surely is something for literature to be grateful for. I've said to people, my writing is in the public domain once I've written it. I don't care beyond that. I left school at 14, one year of high school, I've never been told I'm illiterate yet! But formal education on basic grammar was far more stringent, I feel, in my day than today! So well done. Excellent, just rejoice that his works exist! Well done, blessings, Roy
reply by the author on 04-Nov-2016
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I think you've sown an excellent case in proving that William Shakespeare indeed wrote all the works that are given to his name, not that it matters, the fact the works exist surely is something for literature to be grateful for. I've said to people, my writing is in the public domain once I've written it. I don't care beyond that. I left school at 14, one year of high school, I've never been told I'm illiterate yet! But formal education on basic grammar was far more stringent, I feel, in my day than today! So well done. Excellent, just rejoice that his works exist! Well done, blessings, Roy
Comment Written 04-Nov-2016
reply by the author on 04-Nov-2016
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Roy, what great points, that Shakespeare's works are indeed a gift to all of us. I also agree with you on the point, and perhaps am most offended by in the authorship debate, of this misconception that people who don't have an extensive formal education are "illiterate."
It's simply not true--people gain education in a variety of ways. And then there are plenty of those who go to college and have a great college "experience" but come out uneducated. (They may even fall under the delusion that Shakespeare was not Shakespeare:)
Thanks again for stopping by:)
Stacia
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Well done, don't worry about them.
Comment from N.K. Wagner
Stacia Ann, you made your point and backed it up beautifully. The arguments against Shakespeare being Shakespeare are just plain silly. I'm guessing some professor had to come up with an article to publish and the whole thing was proposed tongue-in-cheek.
I do have to point out, however, the dog DID eat my daughter's homework one time. Anything, however improbable, might be possible under the right circumstances. And why, did you say, do you waste your time arguing with idiots on FB? :) Nancy
reply by the author on 04-Nov-2016
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Stacia Ann, you made your point and backed it up beautifully. The arguments against Shakespeare being Shakespeare are just plain silly. I'm guessing some professor had to come up with an article to publish and the whole thing was proposed tongue-in-cheek.
I do have to point out, however, the dog DID eat my daughter's homework one time. Anything, however improbable, might be possible under the right circumstances. And why, did you say, do you waste your time arguing with idiots on FB? :) Nancy
Comment Written 04-Nov-2016
reply by the author on 04-Nov-2016
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Thanks for the reading and review, Nancy, and your kind rating! Much appreciated.
LOL Nancy, I'm sure your dog did eat thehomework; it could happen (as students' grandmothers and uncles and such could actually die multiple times during the semester, if their families are large enough).
These weren't just any idiots on FB, or it wouldn't bother me. These were FB friends who (I thought) were also personal friends, members of my writing group, and one of them a colleague, people I have known for years. Otherwise I wouldn't be concerned.
I agree the Oxfordian and other "antiStratfordian" claims about Shakespeare the man not being Shakespeare the writer are mostly grounded in the need to come up with a dissertation topic and such:) One of the attackers in this little episode wrote a novel on the topic, which he apparently expects to be taken as serious scholarship. Hope I don't sound too snide.
But anyway, it takes a kinds! Thanks for the reading and review, again:) Hope you stop by again sometime. I'll have a look at your work at the earliest opportunity. Stacia
Comment from Brett Matthew West
This debate is age old and will probably never be settled.
Edward De Vere is not the only person who has been credited throughout history as haven written the "Shakespeare" plays.
However, the two schools of thought, the Oxfordians especially, and those who have no doubt William Shakespeare wrote his own plays, will never see eye-to-eye on this topic.
Your presentation solidly presents some of the issues related to this debate.
NOTE: This debate did make an interesting topic for me to publish several articles in various magazines about over the years that I entitled The Trial Of William Shakespeare.
That was one of the reasons I read this.
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reply by the author on 10-Oct-2016
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This debate is age old and will probably never be settled.
Edward De Vere is not the only person who has been credited throughout history as haven written the "Shakespeare" plays.
However, the two schools of thought, the Oxfordians especially, and those who have no doubt William Shakespeare wrote his own plays, will never see eye-to-eye on this topic.
Your presentation solidly presents some of the issues related to this debate.
NOTE: This debate did make an interesting topic for me to publish several articles in various magazines about over the years that I entitled The Trial Of William Shakespeare.
That was one of the reasons I read this.
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Comment Written 10-Oct-2016
reply by the author on 10-Oct-2016
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Thanks Brett! Wow, you're an expert, then.
Thank you for the reading and review. Much appreciated.
I'd love to continue the discussion with you if you have time. I'd also be interested in your opinion on publication quality.
You may PM
me or email at callmesal@msn.com
Thanks again!
Comment from DonandVicki
It sounds like you have done your research, I am reading a book and taking a course on the works and life of Shakespeare. I enjoyed reading your essay, well done.
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reply by the author on 10-Oct-2016
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It sounds like you have done your research, I am reading a book and taking a course on the works and life of Shakespeare. I enjoyed reading your essay, well done.
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Comment Written 09-Oct-2016
reply by the author on 10-Oct-2016
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Thanks, glad it worked for you! Please let me know how the course goes if you get a chance and if the authorship debate is mentioned--usually it is addressed.
Thanks again!
Stacia
