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5 months ago

Democrats try to kill Trump again


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Second time around, we have a wannabe assassin who is a registered Democrat (both him and the previous guy donated to leftist causes) and used a non-American* weapon found all over the world to try to assassinate Trump.

Unlike the first assassin, though, this guy did not do his homework. The effective range of an AK-47 is about 300 yards, and Trump was 400 to 500 yards away, supposedly. That's only about a quarter mile or so, which is a distance at which Marines are required to be lethal. Skilled marksmen can shoot far beyond that range.

This raises a couple questions:

1) Why a gunman was able to get that close to Trump. I don’t know what the terrain was like, but presumably, it being a golf course, it was pretty open. If he had brought a proper gun with him for that range, and camouflaged properly, Trump might easily be dead.

2) How the gunman was able to get away in one piece after being fired at. Someone happened to get his plates and report it, and that's the only reason he was caught?

3) What kind of resources are being made available to Trump for his protection. Clearly, they are inadequate, and it appears Democrats control these resources directly.

4) If Democrats want Trump dead so bad, why are they doing such a bad job of killing him? The only reason Iran has not done it is because they know what would happen to them if they did. It might even be enough to wake Biden up.

* note: the AK-47 was designed in Russia but is actually made in various places including Pennsylvania. Harambe is committed to integrity in his journalistic reporting.



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5 months ago
RE: Democrats try to kill Trump again

H, I think it's too early to know much of anything about today's assassination attempt. And it is inflammatory to say the Democrats tried to assassinate Trump again. Apparently the only shots fired were from the Secret Service, so I also wondered how he wasn't hit. It must've been cover from the super-high hedges and trees.

"Donation records show that Routh contributed to both Democratic and Republican political candidates, Zeteo News reports. Routh also said that he voted for Donald Trump. Politicians he donated to include Tulsi Gabbard, (she who helped Trump with his debate prep) Elizabeth Warren and Andrew Yang, among others."

If this is true, he doesn't sound like a person who associates with any particular political party and it's worth noting he has a 50 page rap sheet dating back to the early 1980s.

Some other things to consider:

Why did Trump choose Sunday to play golf at his International Golf Club rather than Mar-a-Lago which is a familiar location and much easier to secure. Was it a spur of the moment decision thus not giving the SS enough time to map and secure the location properly?

How did this man know Trump was going to be at West Palm Beach golfing on Sunday and at what time?

What motivated him? Given Routh's fixation on Ukraine is it possible he was enraged when Trump refused to commit to sending weapons to Ukraine if he were to be re-elected president? So far the only person who knows for sure is Routh, and by all reports he is pretty tight-lipped.

I will say that the authorities are far too slow coming out with public statements. That lag allows speculation to spread around the world before the facts are known. They really must speed up their process.

The good news is, Trump is alive and well.



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RE: Democrats try to kill Trump again

Good questions. Yes deliberately inflammatory, but totally deserved. Both assassination attempts are due to omissions in security that are fundamentally budgetary and we HAVEN'T HAD THESE SORTS OF LAPSES for any other protectee in decades. And we just had not one but two of them. If Trump had 3x the number of agents assigned to him, do you think this guy would have gotten within a quarter mile of him? How many agents are protecting Harris and Biden vs. protecting Trump right now?

Biden and top Dems keep saying they condemn violence, but what are they doing to prevent these incidents from occurring? Why is the DHS being run by an immigrant?


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RE: Democrats try to kill Trump again
Former President Trump has the highest levels of security, acting Secret Service Director Ronald Rowe told reporters Monday, crediting the agency with thwarting an alleged would-be assassin from getting eyes on the former president Sunday.

It remains unclear how Routh was aware of Trump's location, which was an "off the record" movement that was not on the former president's public schedule.
https://thehill.com/national-security/4882961-trump-security-assassination-threat-secret-service/

So, how did Routh know? How often does Trump golf at this location? Is there any discernable pattern to predict behaviour?

"The acting USSS director repeatedly praised his agents for "rising to meet an unprecedented and hyper-dynamic threat environment" in light of Trump's assassination attempt earlier this summer. Rowe Jr. also highlighted President Biden's efforts to increase assets for the Secret Service following the rally in Butler. Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, who is running against Trump this November, have denounced political violence following Sunday's incident.

"We have great support, not only from President Biden," Rowe Jr. said, but from members of Congress as well.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-off-record-golf-trip-explained-secret-service-1954808

Apparently Trump already has as many agents protecting him as Biden and Harris do. Routh has lawyered up, so now everything slows down to Legal System speed in reverse.

I'm not sure why it would be a problem to have an immigrant leading the DHS, but perhaps the Secret Service that is currently an agency under the DHS, should be moved to the FBI or as Lindsey Graham said, back to Treasury.

And I do take issue with JD Vance when he said, "No one has tried to kill Kamala Harris in the last couple of months. And two people now have tried to kill Donald Trump in the last couple of months. I'd say that's pretty strong evidence the left needs to tone down the rhetoric and needs to cut this crap out."

That's an absurd inference and is evidence of nothing other than Vance's propensity to fabricate false stories in an attempt to capture the public's attention. IMO it is Trump's own rhetoric that gets him into trouble.


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RE: Democrats try to kill Trump again

Rather than try to explain it, imagine the optics if an immigrant is running DHS and Trump gets assassinated.

Do you have a source on Trump receiving as much protection as Biden/Harris? I don't see that at either of the links you mentioned. BBC suggests he receives less protection.

So Trump's entire detail, across multiple shifts according to this, is let's say 100 people. Maybe 25 at a time? How many people do you think protect Vladimir Putin? Anyway it doesn't matter; what matters is whether it is adequate, and proportionate, enough to keep apes like me from being able to talk smack about them and be taken seriously. The Secret Service spends $1 billion protecting people and facilities, and the US military spends $800 billion, and Biden just spent hundreds of billions writing off student debt for soft majors. We gotta do better.



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5 months ago
RE: Democrats try to kill Trump again
Well, I can not recall ever seeing a former president or Presidential candidate have two attempts in two months. This is clearly a problem.

And he rhetoric and fear mongering we've seen, read, and heard from people in country and from other nations has been ridiculous.
Constantly telling people Trump is a threat to democracy (which we aren't), saying he is evil, racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, a rapist, and on and on. That he will rule the nation like a emperor and do all sorts things a President has no power to do. Naturally, some weak minded people will start to be brainwashed into believing it.


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RE: Democrats try to kill Trump again
H, I certainly do appreciate the optics concerns, and it was the new acting director of the SS who said at the news conference that they were at the same levels. But I see they've ramped up Trump's security even more today at his town hall.

The closest comparison to Trump is when two women tried to kill President Gerald Ford in September 1975. Like Trump, he was targeted by individuals with logically unclear motives.

The first attempt to assassinate Ford was made by Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, a follower of Charles Manson, and 17 days later a second assassination attempt was made by Sara Jane Moore, an accountant and a divorced mother of four.

The assassination attempts--Fromme's in Sacramento and Moore's in San Francisco--also contributed to 'an atmosphere of lawlessness' in Northern California, Starr said, compounded by such 1970s events as the Patty Hearst kidnapping, the slaying of San Francisco Mayor George Moscone and the mass suicide of the Jonestown cultists.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-ford-survived-2-assassination-054535818.html

If the rhetoric is coming from other nations it is clearly not spurred by Biden or Harris. Same with things people say come from Trump when they didn't.



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RE: Democrats try to kill Trump again
Well, how many times did Harris, and many Democrat politicians, celebs, and media people make the claim that Trump is a threat to our democracy over and over again. A democracy that we are not by the way.


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RE: Democrats try to kill Trump again
Trump incited those present at his speech on the Ellipse on January 6 to march down Pennsylvania Avenue toward the Capitol.

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore," he said.

Trump routinely insists that if, Communist, Fascist, Comrade Kamala is elected you are not going to have a country anymore. The country will be taken over by radical left thugs.

It seems to me that if you think rhetoric such as, he's "a threat to our democracy" is far worse than that coming from Trump, then, you're not against alleged violence-inciting-rhetoric at all. Apparently you think similar rhetoric targeting Harris and Biden is just fine.

Besides, a threat to our democracy is far too abstract to be effective. I bet if you asked ten people on the street what democracy is, you'd get ten different answers. On the other hand Trump speaks in clear language. There is no mistaking what his rhetoric means even though he will deny he meant it that way.



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RE: Democrats try to kill Trump again
OMG

The person who stokes fear and hatred every time he opens his mouth at one of his crazy rallies as well as in every debate or press conference has now got his supporters here calling for a toning down of the rhetoric. yes, Harambe, you deny it, but you've just admitted to using inflammatory language DELIBERATELY to take his side. What else is new.

A few facts. yes, the guy from the other side of the world somehow knows more than others here. So sue me.

The gunman didn't even get within viewing range of Trump. he was never in a position to take a shot at him. The Secret Service did their job. I believe security has nevertheless been increased.

Democrat, huh? The messaging is a bit mixed, but his latest preference is clear - Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy. Gloria's suggestion that it is all about his obsession with Ukraine. A blind man can see that if Trump gets back into the Oval he will abandon Ukraine in a heartbeat. he has repeatedly said that he will end that war in a day and that's the only way to do it.

Why do opponents like me say that Trump is a danger to democracy? Because Trump has made it very clear what he will do if he regains power. He has promised to be a dictator on Day 1. He has stated, If you vote for me this time you will never have to vote again.' Ominous much? He has indicated he might terminate the Constitution.

All very well for folks here to say that your political system doesn't allow him to do those things. We already know that he plans to remove ALL officials who don't support him, including at the DOJ. His handpicked SCOTUS has handed him full immunity for 'official' acts. Not that he needs it with the full power of the DOJ at his beck and call to weaponise them against political opponents.

BTW Assassination attempts? there were two on Gerald Ford 17 days apart in September 1975

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The gunman in this case

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RE: Democrats try to kill Trump again

Steve you're forgetting something much more important. He knew where Trump would be. How? Sounds like someone on the inside tipped him off, and if they don't find that insider or close that access, Trump is a dead man walking.

As usual Steve, lots of unsubstantiated assumptions that undermine your claims.

>> A blind man can see that if Trump gets back into the Oval he will abandon Ukraine <= except that Zelensky recently talked to Trump and says otherwise, and is probably meeting with him this week. I share the concern, but it is possible that Ukraine ends up better with Trump than with Harris, who has failed to articulate any Ukraine policy, and has co-presided over the loss of their territory in the first place, which could have been avoided by providing more than just old surplus weapons.

Re: Gerald Ford 49 years ago -- what's your point again? The only reason Trump is alive is that the shooter was dumb enough (after waiting out for maybe 12 hours too!!) to stick his barrel out of the fence. Anyone with good sense would have camouflaged better. All he needed to use was a scope, and wait til Trump got closer. Planning a chess game around fool's mate approaches is a guaranteed way to epically lose against someone who knows how to play.

>> We already know that he plans to remove ALL officials who don't support him, including at the DOJ <= unreferenced claim, so I'm going to respond with something that is also unreferenced, but unlike yours is true. Who is he going to have make such a list, do you think? I happen to know someone on the inside who is working on such a list, and it's someone who was fired from the last administration.

>> He has indicated he might terminate the Constitution. <= that's cute. Got a source?

Not that he needs it with the full power of the DOJ at his beck and call to weaponise them against political opponents. <= kind of like the way Biden has gone after Trump?

>> A few facts. yes, the guy from the other side of the world somehow knows more than others here <= Ok big guy.

My turn. You say Trump wants to end democracy, but Dems are running a candidate who no one in the public ever voted for, and who the media magically turned from one of the most disliked VPs of all time into a demigod in just a few days. She never had to debate other Democrats, and when she did debate Trump, never answered any questions. And she has yet to articulate any positions aside from eating puppies and throwing candy at people. Who's the bigger threat to democracy?

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