By lyenochka
This is a chapter in a multi-author book for anyone who has some tips for new members of Fanstory. When I started in 2016, Gloria posted a series on Fanstory: A Tutorial. Her posts can be found in her portfolio.
When I was a newbie on Fanstory, I was rather tentative and timid. Having majored in Russian Literature, analyzing poetry was not a problem. But rating someone else’s work was rather daunting. Even when I taught community college students, I didn’t like grading because it changed the focus from learning to earning the grade.
I quickly learned that contrary to the rating guidelines, giving a four star was tantamount to an insult. So I focused more on giving feedback on the work itself. Reviewing was the best way to earn the Fanstory “money” to promote our own works. In the process of reviewing, I learned techniques, vocabulary, and better ways to use poetic devices from the writers I admire here. Reviewing also helps identify some aspects of my own writing that I want to improve. Anyway, unless one has a cache of funds to be spent only on Fanstory, it’s always a good idea to review.
I’m a habit-bound creature. At first, I had a few friends who regularly reviewed me, and I reviewed them. That was the extent of my interactions. Gradually, I met more wonderful writers, and then my Inbox flooded every Sunday. Then it was a little difficult to keep up. (It is too difficult now so apologies if I didn’t get to all your posts.)
Like I said, I’m an unimaginative in reviewing strategy and just work through my Inbox from top to bottom because the more recent ones are probably still promoted. But there are exceptions. This is where you need to know your writer’s posting habits. About fifty percent of us automatically promote each post so that those who follow our writings are rewarded and know what to expect. However, be aware of these other types of promotion styles:
So once you know the habits of your favorite writers, you can know how to schedule reviewing of those you are following. But additionally, Robyn Corum, advised reviewing all the posts on the Front Page and some of the Bonus Reviewing. (When you first logon to Fanstory, you see the "Front Page" or as some call it, the "Welcome Page". Scrolling down, you will see Up Next/Bonus Reviewing, which is also visible on the bottom of the page as well as after you saved a review.) I tried to follow her advice, but I’m such a creature of habit, that I still slog away at my Inbox listing, and then it’s too late to do anything else. But thankfully, I’m following all those different types of promoters so I end up reviewing some on the Front Page and some Bonus Reviewing anyway.
Hope this helps. Other writers, if you have some tips to give new members, please add a chapter here. Thank you!
Author Notes |
Notes:
Gloria's reviewing post can be found by clicking here. |
By lyenochka
Most of us are here to improve our work and not just to have it read by others. I believe you can learn much by writing reviews, and it is the best way to earn the member dollars to promote your own work without spending your own money. Reviewing someone's work soon after it is posted will more likely cause you to win bonus certificates to promote your own work.
It is best to build up a lot of member dollars before you start posting so you can promote your own work. Before reviewing someone's work, I would suggest new writers should go to the 'view ratings' at the bottom of a piece and read what other reviews say, not to copy, but to get a feel
for what others find impressive about the work. Note the ratings other give.
If you don't promote it, you won't get many reviews and it isn't fair to you or your work. I perfer not to read work that isn't promoted. I always try to promote my work high enough to get it on the first page of the listing.
Members aren't happy with less than five stars unless you make helpful suggestions for improvement, and if you agree to go back and change the rating later. Make fans of people whose work you like so you will be notified when they post. They will often become your fan, which means you will get more reviews when you post.
You may go further up on the rating scale by the sheer volume of the work you put out, which has nothing to do with the quality or length of your work, but personally I think it is better to be further down on the ratings and post work you can take pride in writing.
Buy the Treasure Chest promotion in order to have your work remain on longer for those who run behind in reviewing. Get a fan list going quickly, so people will be notified when you post. Don't bother buying the banner advertisments. They don't work.
Check out the contests and enter them after reading the requirements carefully. It is a good way to win dollars to promote your work. FanStory committee contests are free to enter, but others require member dollars and are voted on by members.
By lyenochka
FanStory is a great site to publish your work and to get feedback from a variety of writers from all walks of life. Is it also a great forum to improve your craft, you may ask. The answer is, yes, that is definitely true.
But like everything else in this life, nothing comes for free. When I first joined back in 2014, I did so with an open mind. Here, I thought was a site full of writers who wanted to improve their skill just like I did. And I was not wrong.
However, I soon learned that there are rules to be followed. Yes, the site has a guideline how to review and give feedback, but life in this community works a little bit differently from the real world.
We are like one big family and we strive to help each other as long as we give something back.
So my advice is to give feedback. When someone reviews you and suggest you to make some corrections, always reciprocate with an answer and a thank you, confirming you've made the edits. It will pay back tenfold.
I came on this site, English being my second language, and the writers here taught me to better it in every way. It takes work and dedication, but it's worth it. It has not only made me a better writer, I think, but I have also gained some invaluable friends.
The same could happen to you.
Author Notes | Thanks to meg119 for the use of the artwork. |
By lyenochka
The right title is crucial for everything written. An excellent posting can lose some of its power if readers are left confused about the connection.
Good titles can entice readers into wanting to read a writing and encourage them to read longer postings.
Following is part of the review I just posted on Chapter 2 written by Beth:
You have given some excellent information in Chapter 2 that I hope many new members will take advantage of...plus established members since we some times tend to forget things. At least, I think we do...at my age, I cannot exactly recall. :0)
Humor can help hold interest for readers in some writings, but it must be appropriately used.
Thanks for stopping by and reading this!
By lyenochka
3. Don’t use a “text background color” (as opposed to a “text color”) on double-spaced text. It doesn’t look so good to my eye. You seldom see that anywhere in real life. This is how it looks using a white text background with the double-spaced appearance, which I got because I copied it directly from Word.
By lyenochka
By lyenochka
Author Notes |
Welcome to the ride of a lifetime!
Thank you for the artwork, Life~Balanced by Cindy Sue Truman on FanArtReview. |
By lyenochka
By lyenochka
I will tell you some of the many mistakes I have made and how to fix them.
#1 Rating. I read the rules, and I followed the rules. BIG honking mistake. I was giving 4s, and I got a lot of nasty replies. To avoid excessive backlash, I recommend you give fives and be sparing with your sixes. You only get six a week. Make them count.
#2 Trying to review every one. I got so caught up in it that I made myself crazy. Okay, more crazy. Review your pals and seek out new ones, but do not let this site run you. This site can suck you in. I love it here but take breaks away from it.
#3 Letting some folks get you down. We have a lot of nice people on here. But, like in the real world, there are some false and mean people. It took me a while to learn that someone I thought was trying to help me wasn't my friend at all. Friends will encourage you and give you a nudge now and then. False friends only tell you they think you are wrong, that it is not a good story. They never offer help. They only gripe at you and wear you down. Don't listen to those folks. I have friends who don't read my poetry much because they don't like poetry. So, I have a friend I adore who writes really well, but one kind of story he does is not to my taste. He isn't mad because I don't review him.
Friends don't have to love everything.
#4 I put a story in the wrong place and had to disable it. Broke my heart. But I finally wrote Tom (The head honcho and owner), And he said that since it had never been reviewed, I could rename it and post it as new! Ask your friends and then ask Tom. He might not be able to help, but he might! So ask him.
#5 You do not have to post every day, and there is a limit of two per day. I was a writing nut for a while. Two every day. I drove myself ragged. I had to stop for a while. Have a real life, too.
#6 You can only fan people twice a day, also. You Fan them when you like how they write, and their stories will show up in your fan mailbox. You are not obligated to read every one. It just makes it easier to read when you want to. I tried to read every one every day, I made myself nutso.
#7 If you want to vote on contests you can go to social on your Fan Story Browser and at the bottom it says vote, click that, and you can sign up, and voting booths will show up in your mailbox. Again, I tried to vote on all of them. Don't beat yourself up. Vote on those that mean something to you. Pass on the rest.
This is supposed to be fun.
#8 I have won some contests, but there have been a lot I haven't won. There have been those I thought I would surely win and didn't, and those I was sure wouldn't even get one vote that won first place. You can never tell. So don't beat yourself up about it.
#9 When you get a low review. I have gotten a 3 one time. The top of my head blew off, and I read the review again when the shock wore off. I made the edits, and he changed it to a 5. We are here to learn; sometimes, people may not like our Babies. That is what they are like, We pour our heart and soul into these perfect creations, and then someone in clodhoppers stomps all over it! How dare they!
It will hurt sometimes. But read what they say. You may not always agree. Sometimes, they may offer a word they think might work better. And voila! It is exactly what was needed. And sometimes, you might think they are as dumb as a stump. You thank them for reading your story and go about your day knowing they are dolts. Some folks here are brilliant, like me ( shyly blushing), and some seriously lack skills. Learn from everyone.
#10 Last but not least, Enjoy your time here. Find and make friends. Most people want to help. A lot of us are old as dirt and know stuff. We like to help.
When you don't know something and need help ask someone, if we don't know the answer we can usually tell you who can or where to go to find out. Have fun.
Karen :-)
By lyenochka
When we come here to FanStory, shiny and new, we have high hopes we will be noticed and appreciated.
Perhaps the world has not acknowledged our brilliance.
Maybe we feel let down and unrecognized. We are looking for a place where we belong, where we fit in.
The moment I got here, I was home. I found folks that talk like I do. Some even think like me. Some write like me. Now, I will not tell you everyone will be your friend.
Some people might not appreciate your sense of humor and find it distasteful. If they do, write to me instead!
We have all kinds of poetry here. I am learning so much that my head hurts. We have clubs and classes. Go to Social on your FanStory browser, and you will find them.
If you are looking for a certain member who wrote some good stories and you know their name, go to Community on your Fanstory browser and pick "Find a Member." Or go to the FanStory page and look at some of the writers they may be there.
If you are grammar-challenged like me, you might try "Grammarly" they have a small free program, but it does not get everything. The Premier version is $12 per month if you buy it a year at a time. They give you a free trial.
If you are searching for a word, find a similar word and type it in your regular browser. Type in the words: nutjob synonym, and you will get "crazy," etc.
If you are not sure you are spelling something right. Again, using your own browser, type in the word, and variations will come up!
If you want your poem, story, or book read, you must review others to earn member dollars. Or, you can buy member dollars. Posting costs you nothing, but raising the amount your writing will pay others to read it does cost. It takes your time or your money.
Promoting your story: $9.95 To start the points. That gives you five reviewing points and 20 cents. Then, it's $2,95 for every .05 you want to add. That is member cents.
You can add other things also. Go to Social in your FanStory browser and hit Certificates, and all the information will come up.
You get read more if your work is accompanied by a picture. I fought it at first, but I like it now. It can say things your writing alone may not capture.
Fanstory has free art, Google, Bing, Unsplash, and the biggie "Pinterest." All give free art. But watch out; you may be mesmerized watching baby laughing videos. Also, always acknowledge where your picture came from in your Author's notes. That is how you get it free.
And, when it comes to short stories, they like them 1,500 or less. So, a good story may need to be #1,#2, and#3. They want bite-size chunks here.
I hope this has helped. I wandered around, bumping my head into the furniture for a while before I got my feet.
Everyone is welcome. And most people are nice and want to help. Do you need help? Ask any of us. You may notice we are loaded with people of faith. All kinds.
If you don't have any, I can loan you some of mine if you want. It's not required. Also, we have a lot of seniors here, too, and if you want some of that, I would be delighted to give you 10-12 of my years if you know how to do that. If not, oh well.
Come in and enjoy. The water is fine.
Author Notes | Picture from Pinterest |
By lyenochka
My mathematical intuitiveness has determined, since I am posting Chapter 10, there have been 9 previous posts (told you I was good with numbers) providing you with much needed information to help you guide through this site. This is based on those writers experiences and knowledge of what makes FanStory go.
Let me set the stage ... the previous 9 chapters were written by some of the finest writers you will come across here on FanStory. AND, AND, AND not only are they skilled writers, they are also some of the FINEST INDIVIDUALS you would be proud to meet and lucky enough to call them your friends!
These 9 writers encompass the four writing styles - short story, novels, poetry and script. You will find the names of these nine and many more in the top 10 of multiple styles. How they do that is mind boggling to this math geek turned writer.
Read what they posted, closely and multiple times. Bookmark it, print it and put it in a folder for reference. It will be well worth it.
Now to my one pet peev...
As you're aware you can finance your posted writing from your own pocket, or review others works to earn member dollars (which I'm guessing most of us do).
So, there is someone, somewhere on this Earth reading your post and writing their review. This takes time. It takes their time. As you're hopeful for many, many upon many reviews of your posted work, the reviewer is also waiting for a response to their review. It takes time, effort and understanding to write these reviews. So I am asking, Mr. or Mrs. Newbie Writer...
Show respect to the reviewer in your response with more then a two word response of "Thank you" or doubling that to a four word response of "Thank you very much"!
Respond to them, by name. If you don't know their name, go to the profile.
Like Patrick Swayze said in the movie, Roadhouse, "show them respect".
It's the same here, though we are not in a Texas bar, show the reviewer some respect back by telling them thank you for the review, thank them for taking the time to read and share their thoughts with you, tell them what you may have liked about the review, something! Engage in a conversation. There's nothing I personally hate more in a response is the two worded thank you. To me it shows no time or effort was placed and honestly, and I'm not being arrogant, it shows a lack of respect! Maybe it's because I'm 69, old fashion and raised to be respectful to others I'm writing this. But it does tick me off.
I no longer read those writers, even if there pay out to review is three digits!
This was not written to offend anyone, it's how I feel and my opinion!
Happy writing. We are all here to create, learn and better ourselves. If all goes right, we are engulfed in a community of friends and in many cases, family!
John
By lyenochka
Personal thoughts: Reviewing and Responding
First and foremost, this is a writing site, and most of us are here to learn and grow as writers, and to help others to do likewise. We are all encouraged by each other, and by the friendships that form, but this is not the primary purpose of a writing site, important though that may be.
We generally desire to improve our writing, to sharpen our writing skills and techniques, and to express well all that is on our hearts to express. We write what is in our hearts, what is meaningful or important to us – and we are all different, all unique. Some, of course, write simply for the pleasure of writing and self-expression, with no other goals, and that is fine.
A value which is important to me, regardless of our motivations for being on this site, is respect, in our writing, in our reviewing, and in our responding to reviews.
Reviewing brings to my mind several thoughts.
Reviewing should always be done with honesty and respect combined, whether one agrees with what the writer has expressed or not. There is no place for rudeness, rage, or personal attack, all of which I have experienced because someone has disagreed with what I have written. Disagreeing is fine; disrespect is not.
Praise: deserved commendation for excellence in writing, or in some aspect of the writing.
Flattery: unjustified commendation for less than excellent writing. This is often offered to writers because it is easy and brings quick financial reward. It also (usually) ensures flattery in return. It does not require thinking about how to improve the writing piece offered and will frequently overlook obvious errors and inconsistent or poor writing.
Flattery is also offered because people don’t want to hurt the feelings of friends. While this is commendable, an appropriate review will “speak the truth in love.” Honesty plus respect.
Opportunity: a springboard to offer one’s own experiences or thoughts on whatever the writing is about, without any relevance or reference to the work being reviewed. The reviewer is less interested in helping the writer to improve than on his/her own personal sharing. While there is a place for helpful sharing, and that is part of the fine and precious friendships we develop, care should be taken that it is not self-absorption, and does not replace a review.
Carelessness: Not checking the purpose of the writing. Offering a two-star review for a poem, proclaiming that it is “too short” and “needs expanding”, is inappropriate for an eight-word poem written for a contest requiring eight words or fewer.
Similarly in prose writing where a minimum word count is needed, there is an expectation that reviewers who do not like longer pieces will refrain from reviewing rather than denigrate the writer by lowering the rating for no justifiable reason. However, if there is repetition and rambling simply to fulfil the word requirements, there is an opportunity to provide a helpful suggestion in an appropriate way. Honesty plus respect.
Inconsistency: Inconsistency is confusing, and not helpful to writers.
Rude or angry words spoken, because the reviewer has a different viewpoint, but a five-star review is given - this is inappropriate. If the writing is worth five stars, offer them. Change the tone of the review by reviewing the quality of the writing itself, not the theme.
If it is not worth five stars, based on the writing, offer suggestions to improve the writing. It is not the reviewer’s place to berate or rebuke the writer for writing what is important and meaningful to him/her.
Conversely, positive words offered, and no suggestions for improvement, combined with a low rating – this too needs a rethink. Note that sometimes a low ranking is unintentionally offered – we have all done it. If the words and the low ranking don’t match, I think it is appropriate for the writer to ask for reconsideration. Most people are apologetic for such a slip-up, and generally change the ranking to an appropriate level to match the review.
Allocation of six stars: This is always highly contentious.
To my mind a six-star review should only be given if the work is carefully edited for writing technique, logic, development and progression of thought, ideas, or theme, and has meaningful content which lifts it to an extremely high level. It may use original and creative imagery, or the content may be extremely moving. It doesn't need to be perfect, but shouldn't be shoddy.
I do not believe it is justifiable or right to offer six stars for undeserving writing simply because the writer has been/is going through some difficult experiences. Personal support and encouragement can and should be offered, but that is not the role of six stars. Similarly, six stars should not be offered to friends simply because one is thereby hoping for a reciprocal gesture.
Again, this rating requires and emphasises the outstanding quality of the writing. Excellence is important, otherwise, the value of receiving such a rating is diminished.
Responding to reviews can also be problematic. It also takes time, thought, and care.
If reviewers attempt to offer a helpful and respectful review, their honesty can be perceived as an insult, if the writer prefers the flattering type of reviews. Sometimes reviewers’ thoughts are misconstrued, and they are responded to with indignant self-defence, or even personal attack.
If the writer doesn’t like the review, s/he should simply thank the reviewer for his/her thoughts, and leave it be. The choice is the writer’s, to accept or reject the suggestion, but it has taken the reviewer time to offer the help, and that should at least be acknowledged with respect. That writer may be one who simply wants to write, but is not seeking to improve.
However, sometimes the reviewer is able to see more clearly than the writer where a work can be improved, and the writer would do well to consider another viewpoint before dismissing it out of hand. Writers should aim to not be ego-driven, and certainly not use a reviewer’s thoughts as the springboard for an on-going argument.
It is surely appropriate to at least acknowledge and/or thank the reviewer for spending time thinking about the piece. Sometimes the suggested edit is carried out, but no word of thanks is offered. Sometimes the suggestion is ignored completely. Good manners show respect for the efforts of the reviewer.
Personally, I dislike cut-and-paste responses, even with an odd word changed occasionally, particularly if I have asked a question or respectfully offered a suggestion or picked up a typo. However, I understand that in some circumstances, cut and paste responses are unavoidable, and that is perfectly fine.
The influence of rankings: It is difficult sometimes to know whether a writer aspires to excellence in writing regardless of rankings, or whether the writer is dominated by a desire to be high in the rankings, regardless of merit. Rankings are more important to some than others. And there is a spectrum of positions in between.
My personal view is that it is relatively easy to rise in the rankings by various methods, but one can only experience satisfaction if one knows the rank attained is by the quality of his/her work, and that the position is earned on merit.
High payments for reviews will clearly attract more reviewers, as will frequent postings, regardless of literary merit, and each of these will have an impact on rankings. Each writer has to work through the process and decide for him/herself where his priorities lie, both in terms of payment and in terms of frequency of postings, and the decision will depend on time and personal circumstances. It should remain free from judgement by others, as no-one else has walked in their shoes.
Having said that, there are several skilled writers, high in the rankings, and deservedly so, who maintain consistently both an amazing output of writing and high-quality work as well. These are worthy of genuine praise and full respect.
Personally, I go for fewer postings, but I try to ensure quality. I am also happy to pay well for longer postings, to reward reviewers for their increased time and effort spent on an honest review – and I do want honesty rather than flattery.
I hope my thoughts on these areas will be helpful. They are based on my personal experiences and preferences, and any perceived negative comments are not targeting any specific individuals, but rather general observations of trends.
This is, or should be, a place where we can give and receive honest and helpful feedback offered with thought, care and respect.
In general, most of us want this to be a writing site of excellence, as well as a safe community of supportive people, a place of mutual encouragement and help, a place where we can learn and grow in our writing if that's our goal, and in all the various other ways which enrich life.
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